The draft law on abortion, submitted by President Andrzej Duda, has been in the Sejm since October 2020. This, as well as the current regulations on abortion, were discussed by the guests of “Coffee on the Bench” on TVN24.
On Wednesday, protests against violations of women’s rights under the slogan “Not one more” took place in many Polish cities. They were related to the death of a pregnant woman Dorota in a hospital in Nowy Targ. The woman was there in the fifth month of pregnancy after the waters had broken. She died three days later from septic shock. A few hours before her death, an ultrasound examination of the 33-year-old showed fetal death. The Regional Prosecutor’s Office in Katowice is conducting an investigation.
These matters were commented on by Konrad Piasecki’s guests in the Sunday edition of “Kawa na Ława” on TVN24 – Kamila Gasiuk-Pihowicz (Civic Coalition), Róża Thun (Poland 2050), Łukasz Schreiber (Law and Justice), Włodzimierz Czarzasty (Left), Piotr Zgorzelski (PSL-Polish Coalition) and Paweł Szrot from the Chancellery of the President.
REPORT OF THE “UWAWA! TVN” PROGRAMME: Death of pregnant Dorota in a hospital in Nowy Targ. “Doctors had three days to make a decision”
Szrot: Why is the project not being processed? This is a question for most
The host of the program reminded that 32 months ago the president submitted a bill on abortion to the Sejm. It provides for the introduction of a prerequisite for termination of pregnancy if the fetus has been diagnosed with so-called lethal defects.
Paweł Szrot said that “if the president submits a bill to the Marshal’s staff, he obviously recognizes that these solutions are good and worth introducing into the Polish legal order.” – Why this project is not being processed is a question for the parliamentary majority – he suggested.
Referring to Mrs. Dorota’s case, he said: – I tried to analyze this case, I talked for a long time with the Ombudsman for Patients’ Rights, who also published the first preliminary results of his proceedings. And everything indicates that the applicable regulations should protect the life and health of this unfortunate victim – he noted.
He admitted that it was “an unimaginable tragedy, because two people died, a child and a mother”. – The preliminary report of the Ombudsman for Patients’ Rights indicates with high probability that there may have been serious irregularities – he said.
Schreiber: there is no excluded premise
Łukasz Schreiber stated that “the ‘presidential act’ – regardless of how we assess it – (would not) have anything to do with it in this case”. – A woman’s life and health are protected above all by the constitution and by every law. There is no excluded premise regarding the possibility of abortion in such a case, he assured.
The PiS politician, when asked why this party is not doing anything about the presidential project, evaded the answer. – Editor, I do not quite understand what you are talking about, what it has to do with anything – he declared. “I don’t run parliament,” he said.
Thun: please don’t say women don’t die
Róża Thun admitted that discussions on this topic are “terribly sad because we know exactly what happened”. – On the one hand, we have a gruesome, inhumane law, on the other hand, we have intimidated doctors. And here, of course, a doctor should perform an abortion, but these doctors are intimidated by this law, this government, and these controls – she pointed out.
– This is where women die. Please don’t say they’re not dying.
Gasiuk-Pihowicz: when you reach for full power, full responsibility comes with it
Kamila Gasiuk-Pihowicz reminded that there were more cases like the last one from Nowy Targ. Addressing the rulers, she said that “the death of Mrs. Dorota, Justyna, Agnieszka, the tragedies of their families rest on you.” – When you reach for full power, and you have reached for it, then comes full responsibility. It was you who caused the pseudo-tribunal (of Julia) Przyłębska to issue a pseudo-ruling that changed the legal status – she reminded.
– You allowed the doctors to be intimidated. When a woman finds herself in a difficult but beautiful moment of her life, pregnant, and she should meet with care, support, care, you have led to the fact that these women – instead of getting health care in accordance with current medical knowledge – do not get it said the MP.
She continued that the hospital in Nowy Targ admitted that no abortion had been performed there for six years. – There the fetus died and a call was made to the provincial consultant. It wasn’t happening, it wasn’t real. It was you who changed it to a reality unfriendly to women – she recalled. “A total ban on abortion kills,” she concluded.
Zgorzelski to PiS politicians: I accuse you, you are cowards
Piotr Zgorzelski, addressing the PiS representative, said that “people, pregnant women who go to the hospital, doctors are not expected to perform heroic actions.” – Especially you have no right to expect heroic deeds from them, because you are cowards. You are disgusting cowards who, in a pandemic, in order to please the clergy, carried out an amendment in the Tribunal – he stressed.
– That’s why you are cowards, because you did not have the courage to take the subject on your chest, stand in parliament and go with your project. Only quietly, through the side door, through Constitutional Courtto be liked. And that’s what I’m accusing you of – explained the PSL-Polish Coalition politician.
Czarzasty on “PiS’s respect for the president”
Vladimir Czarzasty he admitted, also addressing the rulers, that “he is terrified of arrogance and arrogance regarding the approach to human life.”
– Two bills are currently in the Sejm. One bill concerns the abolition of the conscience clause. I would suggest taking care of it, he recalled. He added that the politicians of the ruling camp had led to the fact that in some provinces legal abortions were not carried out at all. “Innocent doctors are not attacked,” he noted.
The politician of the Left turned to Schreiber. – Do you know what your hypocrisy is? Half an hour ago you said that Law and Justice respects your president Andrzej Duda and that all his comments are taken into account. Well, I would like to tell you, Minister, that the act is 32 months from the president, and this is just an expression of Law and Justice’s respect for the president, he assessed.
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