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BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS ANCHOR:  I am Mr. Bret Baier, in for Wallace. 

A unanimous jury leaves a rustic divided over gun rights and social 


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COURT CLERK:  Not responsible. 

BAIER (voice-over): Kyle Rittenhouse acquitted and strolling free after an 

intense trial surrounding the lethal unrest final summer season in Kenosha. 

PROTESTERS:  We would like justice! 

BAIER:  We’ll check out the response throughout the nation as a rustic 

awaits a verdict in one more extremely charged case. 

And — 

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE:  The Construct Again Higher invoice 

is handed. 

BAIER:  Home Democrats cheer. A win for the president’s large social 

packages deliberate, however the plan faces an uphill battle within the Senate the place 

it is anticipated to get pared again by moderates. 

We’ll ask Brian Deese, the highest White Home financial advisor, concerning the 

technique and worries over inflation. It is a “FOX Information Sunday” unique.

Then, Republican governors tout the massive win in Virginia because the roadmap for 


GOV. DOUG DUCEY (R), ARIZONA:  We have additionally proven that we are able to win in any 

state within the nation. 

BAIER:  We’ll speak to former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie about what 

he sees as a path ahead for his social gathering. 

Plus, federal well being officers approve COVID boosters for all adults. We’ll 

ask our Sunday panel whether or not a change to what it means to be totally 

vaccinated is coming subsequent. 

All, proper now, on “FOX Information Sunday”.


BAIER:  And hiya once more from “FOX Information Sunday.” 

Individuals from coast-to-coast are reacting this weekend to the acquittal of 

Kyle Rittenhouse, in a case that has served as a political litmus take a look at for 

an already polarized nation. Many on the suitable are cheering the jury’s not 

responsible verdict in a win for citizen self-defense and Second Modification 

rights, whereas many on the left are saying it illustrates bias and racial 

discrimination within the nation’s justice system. 

We start with FOX Crew protection. David Spunt is touring with the 

president in Wilmington, Delaware. However, first, to Alexis McAdams on the 

floor to Kenosha, Wisconsin — Alexis,. 

ALEXIS MCADAMS, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT:  Bret, that is proper. A really 

emotional morning, two weeks right here in Kenosha, Wisconsin, within the nation them 

at trial that divided so many individuals throughout America now over. Kyle 

Rittenhouse strolling free however not all people thinks this was self-defense. 


COURT CLERK:  We, the jury, discover the defendant Kyle H. Rittenhouse not 


MCADAMS (voice-over): It was a verdict Wendy Rittenhouse had been ready 

to listen to for 15 months. 


and palms are sweaty. The feelings operating by me. 

MCADAMS:  Her son collapsing within the courtroom after discovering out he’s now 

free. Rittenhouse was on trial for taking pictures three white males, killing two 

throughout the unrest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, following the police taking pictures of 

Jacob Blake. 

Exterior of the courthouse, there was an outpouring of feelings from each 


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You possibly can exit within the streets and simply please shoot 

them up. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I consider in self-defense. 

PROTESTERS:  The folks united — 

MCADAMS: Protesters throughout the nation took to the streets calling for 

justice reform appeared in Portland, Oregon, police declaring a riot and 

others merging in Chicago and New York Metropolis had been a number of had been arrested. 

As these cries for justice reform develop, New York’s Mayor-elect Eric Adams 

calling for swift and righteous motion to stop extra violence. 



CROWD:  No extra vigilante justice.

JACKSON:  No extra vigilante justice.

MCADAMS:  Jesse Jackson, the longtime civil rights chief, says this 

verdict throws doubt into the protection of people that protests and assist of 

Black Individuals and is asking for a federal trial for Rittenhouse. 


MCADAMS:  Now, it has been very quiet on the bottom right here in Kenosha following 

the decision, however there’s a rally planter on the courthouse at 3:00 immediately 

calling for true justice on this case. Closing arguments and one other 

emotionally charged take a look at of the American justice system start on Monday in 

Georgia for the closing case on the Ahmaud Arbery trial — Bret. 

BAIER:  Alexis McAdams reporting from Kenosha — Alexis, thanks. 

Now, let’s flip to David Spunt with the president in Wilmington, Delaware –

– David. 

DAVID SPUNT, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT:  Hello, Bret. The decision in Kenosha 

heard loudly all through the facility corridors of Washington, prompting 

contrasting statements from the president and his vice chairman. 


JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  I stand by what the jury has 

concluded. The jury system works and we’re to abide by it. 

SPUNT (voice-over): Hours later, a annoyed vice chairman. 


lot extra work to do. 

SPUNT:  The Rittenhouse verdict seizing the highlight from Democrats’ large 

victory in Washington. 

PELOSI:  On this vote, the yeas are 220, the nays are 213. The Construct Again 

Higher plan is handed. 

SPUNT:  Cheers on the Home flooring from Democrats after President Biden’s 

practically $2 trillion social spending invoice handed by skinny margin. The vote 

got here simply hours after Republican chief Kevin McCarthy spent eight hours 

and 32 minutes railing towards the plan, the longest speech and plan 

historical past. 

REP. KEVIN MCCARTHY (R-CA):  And each web page of this new Washington spending 

reveals simply how irresponsible and out of contact the Democrats are. 

SPUNT:  The invoice marks the seventh massive spending package deal for the reason that 

starting of the pandemic. Now the main target turns to the Senate the place the 

margins are even thinner and all eyes are two average Democrats, Arizona’s 

Kyrsten Sinema and West Virginia’s Joe Manchin. 

BIDEN:  It is going to take some time to get by the Senate. I believe it 

will most likely be after Thanksgiving. 


SPUNT:  The president who celebrated his 79th birthday yesterday right here in 

Wilmington, Delaware, will head to Nantucket for the Thanksgiving vacation 

to rejoice it with household and mates. However he has an essential resolution 

to make, Bret, whether or not to exchange Jerome Powell, the Federal Reserve chair, 

as inflation continues to threaten this presidency — Bret. 

BAIER:  David Spunt, reporting from Wilmington — David, thanks. 

Becoming a member of us now, director of the Nationwide Financial Council, Brian Deese.

Brian, welcome again to “FOX Information Sunday”. 


me, Bret. 

You already know, inflation is at a 31-year excessive. So, how will you say that this 

Construct Again Higher invoice which, as you simply noticed handed the Home on Friday is 

not going to harm in that method? Is — how will you say it is going to decrease 

inflation whenever you’re pumping actually trillions of {dollars} into the financial system 

in simply latest months? 

BAIER:  Effectively, there isn’t any query inflation is excessive, and it is affecting 

American customers, and it is affecting their outlook. However that is truly 

why we have to transfer on this Construct Again Higher invoice proper now. 

Consultants throughout the board have checked out it and have concluded that it will not 

enhance inflation as a result of it is paid for. Once you pay for investments, you 

do not truly add mixture demand to the financial system. We noticed this week, two 

massive ranking corporations, monetary ranking corporations Mitch — Fitch and Moody’s 

truly underscore that this invoice will not enhance inflation. However what it 

will do is it’s going to decrease prices. 

Bret, this invoice goes to be the most important cost-cutting invoice for working 

class in American households in many years on this nation, and it is going to go 

at prices which can be persistent issues for the American folks of their 

lives. It’s going to decrease the price of prescribed drugs put a cap on out of 

pocket prices for medication for seniors and permit Medicare to lastly negotiate 

prescription drug costs on behalf of American customers. It’s going to decrease the 

value of healthcare, decrease the price of housing as effectively, and it’ll get 

hundreds of thousands of Individuals to work by truly addressing the prices that maintain 

them from going to the office. 

We’ve got hundreds of thousands of oldsters, girls particularly, who cannot work as a result of 

they can not afford the price of childcare or to take care of an aged mother or father. 

This invoice will decrease these prices get folks working, and since it is paid 

for and it will not enhance the deficit. We’re truly going to try this, in 

a method that retains the sturdy momentum within the financial system going. 

BAIER:  Yeah, and that there are critics who actually have situation 

with the paid-for a part of it. 

We have heard former prices Secretary Larry Summers, who additionally held the job 

you now maintain with the Obama administration, expressed actual issues about 

Democrats not taking inflation significantly and solely exacerbating the issue 

with these payments. 

However now you’ve Steve Rattner, senior advisor within the Obama administration, 

penning this: Construct Again Higher could be deemed paid for provided that one embraces 

price range gimmicks like assuming that a number of the most essential initiatives 

will probably be allowed to run out in only a few years. The end result: a package deal that 

front-loads spending whereas tax revenues arrive solely over a decade. The 

Committee for a Accountable Federal Funds estimates that the plan would 

probably add $800 billion or extra to the deficit over the following 5 years, 

exacerbating inflationary pressures. 

So, you are saying Rattner and Summers are each unsuitable? 

DEESE:  Effectively, respectfully, Larry Summers, who has been a critic of a 

variety of the insurance policies of this administration, has truly stated that the 

Construct Again Higher invoice will not enhance inflation and makes a lot wanted 

investments within the financial system. 

And it has been some time in Washington since we have truly achieved the laborious 

work of paying for a invoice over 10 years, however that is precisely what this invoice 

does. It has long run investments in issues like childcare, decreasing the 

value of childcare, offering preschool throughout the nation, however then it pays 

for these by doing long run reforms to our tax system. 

For instance, we might put a 15 p.c minimal tax for the most important 

companies to keep away from what occurs immediately, which is that giant, very 

worthwhile corporations find yourself paying zero in taxes. That is a everlasting reform 

to the tax system that can generate extra income for the long run. 

And so whenever you have a look at the influence of these insurance policies within the mixture, it 

would scale back the deficit by about $112 billion this decade, truly over 

the long run, which is the place, in the event you actually care concerning the fiscal 

soundness of this nation, you ought to be taking a look at the long run. Within the 

second decade, this invoice would scale back the deficit by greater than $2 trillion.

So, this invoice, not like what has occurred in Washington over final a number of 

years, is definitely doing the laborious work of paying for proposals over the 

long run. It’s fiscally accountable, and it’ll reduce prices for households 

virtually instantly. 

BAIER:  Tackle that — 


DEESE:  Effectively, what, what, what — 

BAIER:  — sorry for the delay — the price range gimmicks right here that he says the 

sunsetting of a few of these insurance policies make the numbers — the paid-for half 

— work. 

DEESE:  These aren’t gimmicks. This can be a accountable long run funding. 

Eighty-five p.c of the provisions on this invoice are put in place for the 

long run and in the place there are locations the place packages usually are not prolonged 

completely, a future Congress could have the selection of whether or not to increase 

these usually are not. 

The president has been very clear. He believes that something that we do 

going ahead, something — something a future Congress would possibly do or not do 

ought to be totally paid for. However it’s a — it’s a fully new commonplace in 

Washington to say is that this invoice paid for based mostly on what a future Congress could 

or could not do. 

If you happen to have a look at this invoice — 

BAIER:  Proper.

DEESE:  — long run investments to drive the productive capability of our 

financial system totally paid-for and admittedly greater than totally paid-for over the lengthy 

time period. The identical folks which can be involved about our professed to be 

involved about our fiscal future ought to actually be targeted on the lengthy 

time period. This invoice goes to make quite a lot of Positive distinction there. 

BAIER:  You already know Republicans, Brian argued in 2017. Their tax reduce invoice 

could be paid for due to financial development and on the time Democrats 

pointed to official evaluation, which stated in any other case. Effectively, now you’ve 

Republicans, making that very same argument that Democrats made again in 2017. 

So, why is your argument now that the invoice’s paid for legitimate if it is the 

similar argument the GOP was making?

DEESE:  We’re not counting on the prospect of future financial development. We’re 

counting on official estimates which have seemed on the provisions on this 


The provisions on this invoice will generate tax income, will cut back 

suspending throughout time and people sources will probably be invested in issues that 

will decrease prices for households, like decrease prescription drug prices and decrease 

childcare prices and decrease elder care prices. That is what we’re taking a look at. 

And we’re counting on the specialists which have studied the provisions on this 

invoice, probably the most carefully the Congressional Funds Workplace, in addition to the 

Treasury Division. 

One of many parts that. Is that situation is the difficulty of tax enforcement, 

ensuring that the IRS has the instruments to really have Individuals pay the 

taxes that they already owe. The estimates there are validated by each 

former IRS commissioner, together with those who served beneath Republicans and 

Democrats, former treasury secretaries, together with Treasury Secretary Hank 

Paulson, who served beneath Republican administrations. 

These specialists who’ve many years of expertise taking a look at how the tax system 

work, have seemed on the estimates behind this invoice and stated, if something, 

they’re too conservative. If something, we’re more likely to increase extra income 

throughout time.

BAIER:  So — Brian, you anticipate this invoice, although, to shrink as moderates 

within the Senate get their fingers on it and have issues about it, proper? 

DEESE:  This can be a course of and course of that we have been going by right here 

for months, working carefully to and listening to members of each the Home 

and the Senate. The milestone within the Home was a giant and essential step in 

getting this invoice achieved, and now we transfer to the Senate. And we’ll work 

with each member of the Senate on this invoice.

However I believe that due to that work over a number of months, we actually do now 

have a very good understanding of the place the consensus lies. It lies in decreasing 

prices for American households. It lies in getting extra folks again to work by 

truly addressing the obstacles which can be conserving folks from doing so, 

like childcare, and it lies in making some critical reforms that can 

restore some equity to the tax code. 

We’ve got broad settlement on these provisions, and so, I anticipated as we transfer 

to the Senate could have quite a lot of momentum, we’ll will work because the 

congressional course of does, we’ll work to get a invoice by the Senate. We 

want 50 votes, after which it’s going to return to the Home and to the president’s 


BAIER:  And we’ll see the timing on that. 

The most recent FOX Information ballot on the financial system, President Biden has 36 p.c 

approval in relation to the financial system, and you’ll see, from Might, that is a 

important drop. Why do you suppose that’s?

DEESE:  I believe the American folks perceive that we’ve got made progress, 

however there’s quite a lot of work to do. And I believe that they perceive that 

they’re much less enthusiastic about what, frankly, we’re saying right here on this 

program or saying would possibly occur, and so they’re extra targeted on seeing concrete 

motion and supply of their lives. 

And so that’s one thing that we now are targeted on with the whole lot that we 

do. We have not talked about it, however we simply signed into regulation and 

infrastructure invoice that can go straight at fixing a number of the issues 

which can be — that we face on this financial system immediately, like the provision chain 

bottlenecks at our ports and thru our techniques of commerce. That is a invoice 

that individuals will begin to see the influence of. 

And after they see us delivering in locations which can be straight related to 

their lives then I believe that they are going to perceive what we’re doing right here. 

However we perceive that the onus right here is on delivering, and that is why we 

are targeted on getting these payments achieved and implementing them constant 

with their objective. 

BAIER:  A pair extra questions in a short time. 

Has the president decided on the nomination for Federal Reserve 


DEESE:  Effectively, the president has signaled that he intends to make 

announcement on that within the coming days. And so, I’ll go away the 

substance and timing of that one to him. 

BAIER:  Effectively, the 2 — it mainly comes all the way down to the present Fed Chair 

Jerome Powell or Fed Governor Lael Brainard. Some Democratic senators have 

been pushing for Brainard, citing issues about local weather change. They need 

a Fed that is extra assertive on local weather change. 

Does the president share that view?

DEESE:  Effectively, the president’s been spending quite a lot of time on this situation. 

It is clearly an essential resolution for the — for the nation. There are 

a number of positions open on the Federal Reserve, which the president have an 

alternative to appoint certified candidates for and is taking a look at all of 

these points. 

And once more, I am going to go away that remaining resolution announcement to the president. 

BAIER:  What may very well be tomorrow? 

DEESE:  I’ll go away that timing to him. 

BAIER:  Okay, all proper. Received you. 

Final query, the president simply held this digital summit with Chinese language 

President Xi Jinping, a protracted speak with the Chinese language chief. Is the Biden 

administration going to maintain the Trump period China tariffs in place? 

There are fears for you — out of your critics that they are going to form of — the 

physique administration will roll over with guarantees about local weather change 

coverage shifts by the Chinese language. Will the tariff keep in place?

DEESE:  Effectively, the president has been very clear that he’ll rise up 

for American pursuits. He has a really direct relationship with President Xi 

and that was on proof within the important dialog that they’d that 

you simply referenced. And with respect to commerce, we’re presently 

interacting with the Chinese language across the so referred to as Part One commerce settlement 

that due to the best way that it was negotiated by the prior administration 

didn’t adequately defend various American financial pursuits, and are 

— the Chinese language haven’t totally lived as much as the guarantees in that settlement.

So, we’re partaking with our Chinese language counterparts, however with a transparent 

understanding that we’re representing American pursuits, and we’re going 

to take the actions that we have to defend these American pursuits. However 

that cuts throughout not solely tariff coverage but in addition procurement commitments 

that the Chinese language authorities has made and the broader challenges that the 

Chinese language face to our financial system, whether or not it is mental property theft or 

strategic investments in areas that might have an effect on our nationwide safety. 

So we’re taking a broad view of that, and definitely with a transparent focus that 

the American employee, the American client, the American financial system because the 

president’s precedence, and he’ll rise up for our rules and our 

financial system as effectively. 

BAIER:  Brian Deese, thanks for the time. 

DEESE:  Thanks, Bret. Thanks for having me. 

BAIER:  Up subsequent, we’ll usher in our Sunday group to debate what President 

Biden’s now stalled vaccine mandate may imply for enterprise. 



JEN PSAKI, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY:  Our message to companies proper 

now could be to maneuver ahead with measures that can make their office safer 

and defend them — their workforces from COVID-19. 


BAIER:  White Home Press Secretary Jen Psaki this week urging companies 

to proceed with plans to vaccinate or take a look at employees even whereas OSHA has put 

the controversial rule on maintain after an order by a federal appeals courtroom. 

It is time now for our Sunday group. Jason Riley of “The Wall Road 

Journal,” Susan Web page of “USA At the moment,” and former Democratic Congressman 

Harold Ford, Jr. 


Susan, first to you, this OSHA form of pause is a little bit of a pace bump for 

the Biden administration plans for these obligatory vaccinations. 

SUSAN PAGE, USA TODAY: Sure, that is proper. I imply, it is — the courtroom stated 

that OSHA had overreached. OSHA says it’s going to enchantment, however it’s going to take time. 

And, , this isn’t solely a authorized downside for the administration, however 

itself political one. The failure to manage the pandemic is one among a 

couple of things that’s flattening President Biden’s approval rankings 

to new lows and that’s enormous concern to Democrats as a result of we all know that in 

midterm elections, one of many large metrics that determines what occurs is a 

president’s approval rankings, Bret. 

BAIER:  Talking of polls, we have a brand new FOX ballot out, Jason, that means 

that requiring companies with 100 extra workers for vaccine or testing is 

nonetheless favorable. 49 p.c and solely 47 p.c of professionals however it’s dropping 

her pulse. If you happen to have a look at the coronavirus which was one among President Biden 

strengths, he’s underwater by one level and a giant drop from there. 

JASON RILEY, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL:  And it’s falling amongst Republicans 

and Democrats. Much less confidence in these vaccines due to these 

breakthrough {cases}. It in these mandates usually are not serving to the president’s 

job approval numbers. I imply, it is laborious to know what’s weighing most on 

the president’s approval ranking. Whether or not it is inflation or case on the 

border or what have you ever, however you must consider these mandates usually are not 

serving to issues. They’re very politically polarizing and employers are 

apprehensive about them. 

We have already got a labor scarcity on this nation. There are formal jobs 

out there than there are folks searching for work. These mandates may 

end in folks not becoming a member of the workforce or quitting the workforce or could 

be quitting a job at a giant firm and going to a smaller firm after they 

do not be vaccinate. 

We’ve got to weigh the prices and advantages of those mandates. And I do not 

suppose that the administration is doing a very good job of that. 

BAIER:  Harold, to Jason’s level, I imply, there may be issues with truck 

drivers and the provision chain points that we’re already going through. There’s 

issues with safety with these police, hearth, and totally different authorities 

across the nation coping with these mandates. 

HAROLD FORD, JR., FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR:  First off, completely satisfied Sunday. 

I believe Jason has framed it proper. I’d come out of little bit 

otherwise although. I believe — when you consider COVID and even the flu 

photographs, there may be knowledge displaying that the best predictor of whether or not an 

American is vaccinated towards each is his or her political social gathering. 

I’d remind all of us that COVID or the flu is just not a member of a 

political social gathering or cultural group. It is not black. It is not white. 

It is not a part of an ethnic or spiritual group. It would not discriminate. 

I believe the administration should deal with this maybe a bit of bit 

otherwise or tackle it otherwise. This in my thoughts, getting vaccinated 

is a nationwide safety situation. When you consider what we did final 12 months, 

when to close on the financial system, we shut down colleges. We stifled innovation 

with exception of pharmaceutical develop which was a herculean funding 

and due to President Trump and President Biden on that. 

We’ve got to maybe outline this otherwise, and I believe, America, if we 

don’t desire our colleges to shut once more and for lessons to be out, which 

impairs our children’ potential to achieve success within the subsequent grade, and for that 

matter within the workforce, being vaccinated might be the perfect factor to do. 

Moreover, there was no well being outbreak from being vaccinated. If 

you’re vaccinated and also you get the — you get the virus, it is probably you’ve got 

been round somebody’s unvaccinated. 

I can perceive if being vaccinated was killing folks or the vaccine was 

making folks very, very sick, massive numbers of individuals. That is not the 

case. I’d deal with this as a nationwide safety situation to maintain America 

sturdy, to maintain our colleges open, and to maintain our financial system vibrant. 

BAIER:  Susan, the emergency authorization has been given to Moderna and 

Pfizer booster photographs for all adults. The query is, will folks get them? 

There is a query about what totally vaccinated will imply and whether or not the 

definition will change over time. 

PAGE:  Yeah. We heard Dr. Fauci this week saying perhaps must look 

at three photographs as being the usual for being totally vaccinated. However the 

actual problem in the mean time for the nation is just not getting folks to get a 

third shot. It is for folks to get a primary shot, amongst these Individuals who 

have declined or refused to be vaccinated up to now. That’s the reason that 

COVID continues to be such a critical well being downside. 

You have a look at hospitalization charges, the people who find themselves now hospitalized, who 

are getting very sick from COVID are overwhelmingly individuals who’ve not 

gotten the primary shot. So, that has been the main target of the administration’s 

efforts. However, sure, I believe it we’re shifting towards the purpose the place three 

photographs would be the commonplace, not two. 

BAIER:  You already know, Jason, some folks neglect that there is a testing possibility 

in the event you’re towards these vaccines. You can go right into a testing regime. You’d 

should get examined lots, however that is a chance. 

RILEY:  And it ought to be an possibility, Bret. I imply, quite a lot of us wish to 

see extra Individuals getting vaccinated, however the way you go about doing that 

issues. I believe this heavy-handed strategy is just not serving to the 

administration. It is not serving to the nation. There are individuals who need to 

go the testing route. 

To Harold’s level, we all know that getting COVID is just not a loss of life sentence for 

most individuals. We must always not fake that it’s. And so, , one thing 

like 80 p.c of adults on this nation have already had no less than one 

shot. This isn’t an emergency state of affairs we’re in and the courtroom rebuke, 

you name it a pace bump. It is extra of a roadblock, as I see it, Bret.

The courtroom was fairly thorough in taking pictures this down because the policing powers 

for particular person conduct with regard to public well being and security are a state 

situation, not a federal situation. So, there may be each a authorized and political situation 

right here from this administration. 

BAIER:  All proper, panel. We’ve got to take a break right here, see you in a bit. 

Up subsequent, my sit down with former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie on how 

he says he’d save the Republican Celebration.


BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Developing, former New Jersey Governor Chris 

Christie urges a reform of the Republican Celebration. 


CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), FORMER NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR: We’d like a viable, energetic 

two social gathering system with a Republican Celebration that may win.


BAIER: Our one on one unique with Christine on how the GOP strikes 

ahead, subsequent. 


BAIER: Republicans say they really feel momentum heading into the midterms, 

pointing to Glenn Youngkin’s victory within the Virginia governor’s race as a 

mannequin for tips on how to win the bottom and independence. 

Becoming a member of me now to debate, former governor of New Jersey, Chris Christie, 

creator of the brand new guide, “Republican Rescue: Saving the Celebration from Reality 

Deniers, Conspiracy Theorists and the Harmful Insurance policies of Joe Biden.”

Governor, welcome again to FOX NEWS SUNDAY. 


having me. 

BAIER: You already know, I have been speaking to various Republicans as they’ve 

watched your varied appearances speaking concerning the guide, and so they stated one 

query stored on arising, and it — they stated, what’s his play? What’s 

his political play? 

So, let me ask you the way they requested it, what’s your play? 

CHRISTIE: My play is to strive to ensure we get again to successful once more as a 

social gathering. You already know, between 2018 and 2020, Bret we misplaced the Home, the Senate 

and the White Home. The one different time within the Republican Celebration’s historical past 

that that is occurred was 1930 to 1932 with Herbert Hoover. And so we then 

had the Democrats occupying the White Home for 28 of the following 36 years. 

And it simply appears to me that our nation would not be capable of survive this 

Democratic Celebration occupying the White Home for 28 of the following 36 years. 

So I would like us to cease trying backwards, begin trying ahead, laying out a 

distinction to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, laying out what’s unsuitable with what 

they’re doing and what’s proper with our prescription. We do this, we’re 

going to win the Home and Senate again in ’22 and plenty of governorships and 

be in nice place for 2024. 

If we do not, we will grow to be a grievance social gathering —

BAIER: So are you contemplating? Are you contemplating operating for president?

CHRISTIE: Positive, I’d think about it, Bret, and — and can think about it, however 

I will not make any resolution until the tip of 2022. And this 12 months what I am 

specializing in is, I am co-chairing the victory fundraising for the Republican 

governors. And I am co-chairing the trouble to fund Republican redistricting 

of congressional districts with former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. We 

should win first in 2022 earlier than we ever think about 2024. 

However much more importantly, Bret, we have to cease trying backwards, cease 

the grievance politics and all the remainder and begin shifting ahead at giving 

folks a Positive outlook for what we need to do in comparison with the catastrophe 

that’s the Biden administration.

BAIER: Are you able to see a state of affairs the place former President Trump doesn’t run 

once more? And what’s that? 

CHRISTIE: Hear, I believe that is simply such an intensely private resolution 

that in fact I may see. It is dependent upon what occurs in Donald Trump’s 

life over the following couple of years and what he decides he needs to do. However 

I may see him operating too.

In the long run, Bret, I do not suppose that ought to matter for anybody else who’s 

contemplating operating. I imply, in the long run, in the event you consider you are the perfect 

particular person to be president of america and have the perfect likelihood to be 

in a position to win and have the assist of your loved ones, effectively, then that is all that 

actually issues and may matter. And that is what ought to matter for Donald 

Trump as effectively.

BAIER: Effectively, realizing the previous president such as you do, do you suppose he’ll 

ever concede the lack of 2020? 

CHRISTIE: Effectively, I hope he’ll, Bret. I do not know that he’ll and he 

actually hasn’t now in a 12 months. However I hope that what he’ll do is transfer on 

and simply cease speaking about it. Even when he would not formally concede, we 

have to cease speaking about the truth that the election was stolen, when, as 

I lay out within the guide, there’s actually no stable proof that it was. 

And speaking about this now could be defeating for the Republican Celebration. You already know, 

voters all the time need the following election, Bret, to be concerning the future, not 

concerning the previous. And there is loads of discuss proper now with the terrible 

failures of Joe Biden in crime, in training, in taxes and spending, 

Afghanistan, different overseas coverage points like China, and we ought to be 

speaking about these issues and laying out our prescriptions, and that is 

what I do within the guide, and likewise speak concerning the conspiracy theories and why 

they’re so damaging and have been traditionally damaging for our 

social gathering.

However, we have been in a position to struggle again earlier than, like with Invoice Buckley and 

Ronald Reagan towards the John Birch Society within the ’60s, and we are able to struggle 

again once more now to make ourselves a Positive, forward-looking social gathering. 

BAIER: So, I hear on a regular basis folks say, I liked President Trump’s 

insurance policies however I did not love his persona or the feedback or the insults. 

Might — can these issues be separated with him as a political determine?

CHRISTIE: Completely. Completely. Look, the insurance policies have been excellent, 

slicing taxes, slicing regulation, conservative judges and justices to our 

courts, energy abroad, , new commerce insurance policies, All these issues 

have added to America in a really Positive method. And I believe that that is 

nonetheless a middle proper nation and a rustic that’s actually lurching again 

towards the loopy liberalism that is happening on this nation proper now led 

by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. So it may be separated and it ought to be 


It’s made tougher if we proceed to have dialogue about 2020 and stolen 

elections, which simply makes the American folks really feel like we’re dwelling in 

the previous and never apprehensive about their future. And I believe if Donald Trump 

needs to be part of that, that is high-quality, and his selection, nevertheless it’s his 

selection if he needs to maintain speaking concerning the previous or whether or not we need to 

begin speaking concerning the future. 

BAIER: In keeping with “The Wall Road Journal,” President Biden has informed his 

allies up to now few days that he’s operating for re-election in 2024 

as a result of there’s quite a lot of fears about Republicans gaining energy heading 

into the midterms. Do you purchase that? What do you consider that? 

CHRISTIE: No, I do not purchase it within the least. And I simply have a look at his 

efficiency. I — Bret, I believe what all people in America has seen over the 

final 10 months is he is simply merely lower than the job. And his 

administration is lower than the job. They ran based mostly upon uniting the 

nation, bringing larger competence to the White Home, of their view, and 

they failed miserably on each. 

In truth, they’ve gone far left on all of their insurance policies. He is caved. I imply 

that is like we elected Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren with the 

insurance policies of this administration. And the competency has been terrible as we 

noticed in Afghanistan, as we’re seeing in inflation, as we’re seeing in crime 

on the streets.

And so I do not purchase it. I believe he is saying it as a result of he is aware of that 

Republicans are gathering momentum. However I, fairly frankly, do not understand how 

Joe Biden, operating in 2024, could be in the slightest degree intimidating Republicans 

or in the slightest degree reassuring to the American folks. 

BAIER: What’s your response to the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict? 

CHRISTIE: Justice was achieved in that, Bret. And — and the jury system works. 

You already know, I — I used to be a prosecutor for seven years, and people prices ought to 

by no means have been introduced. And, , prosecutors usually are not alleged to 

give in to the whims of the general public. They are not supposed to present in — give 

in to public opinion. You are alleged to dispassionately have a look at the information 

and the proof and resolve whether or not they assist prices.

And from the start, I did not suppose that these acts supported prices. 

And I am glad to see that the jury sat there, not affected by public 

stress, however sat and take heed to the proof and made the choice that 

they did. 

He was not responsible. He should not have been indicted. And we must always now transfer 

ahead. And I hope that everybody will go away this younger man alone now and 

let him go to dwelling his life. He shouldn’t grow to be a political image for 

anyone. He is 18 years {old}. He ought to be allowed to now go on and stay his 

life after what has been a very troublesome time for each Kyle 

Rittenhouse and his household. 

BAIER: Sure, however are you shocked by the protection of this all all through 

and the polarized nature of it?

CHRISTIE: Sadly, I wasn’t Bret. I believe these folks on the left 

are simply trying to proceed to tear our nation aside for political 

acquire. Anyone who seemed on the movies of this might inform that this was an 

act of self-defense. Anybody who is aware of the regulation would know that. But you’ve got 

had authorized of us on the air, and on different networks, and political 

commentators and, fairly frankly, elected officers who spoke so 

irresponsibly and horribly about this younger man and not using a foundation actually. 

That is not what we ought to be doing. 

And that is why I am so pleased with our justice system as a result of, what, 

it isn’t good, Bret, nevertheless it’s the perfect system anybody ever has come up 

with when it comes to making an attempt to find out guilt or innocence in our society. And 

that is why I am so pleased with the jury and the jury system as a result of it gave 

Kyle Rittenhouse an opportunity that every one these different speaking heads on tv 

did not give him. They’d him convicted a very long time in the past. 

BAIER: This is the governor-elect of Virginia, Glenn Youngkin Have a look.


GLENN YOUNGKIN (R), VIRGINIA GOVERNOR-ELECT: Kitchen desk points matter. 

And, actually, the fundamental problems with decrease taxes and protected communities and 

higher colleges the place we give dad and mom an actual position of their youngsters’s 

training and, in fact, a rising job market that lifts up all 

Virginians, that resonated with so many Virginians. 


BAIER: What did you’re taking from that election in Virginia, additionally the one which 

occurred in your house state of New Jersey. 

CHRISTIE: Effectively, what it confirmed was that the general public needs to listen to concerning the 

future, not the previous. They need to hear concerning the issues that they care 

about, not about any person’s private grievances or gripes. And — and — 

and what we noticed in Virginia particularly was a direct distinction on that.

Glenn Youngkin simply speaking concerning the points that he simply specified by the 

video, and Terry McAuliffe operating advert after advert after advert about Donald Trump. 

Nobody needed to listen to that in Virginia. What they needed to listen to was, what 

are you going to do to assist my household, make my streets safer, make my 

training higher for my youngsters, decrease my value of dwelling, and provides me a 

higher place to stay right here in Virginia. Glenn spoke about that and gained. 

Terry McAuliffe spoke concerning the previous and misplaced. That ought to be a lesson for 

all of us. 

And, fairly frankly, I might written this guide earlier than the Youngkin race was 

accomplished. And so it is precisely what I say within the guide we ought to be doing as 


And in New Jersey, despite the fact that we got here up simply brief within the governor’s 

race, we added three seats within the state senate, six seats within the decrease 

home, and perhaps much more as a recount goes on. We gained right here in New 


And if we’re successful in blue states like Virginia and New Jersey with that 

message, it ought to inform all people in our social gathering, cease speaking about 

yesterday, begin speaking about tomorrow as a result of successful is all that issues 

right here, Bret. If we do not win, the Democrats proceed to manipulate, and so they 

will proceed to lurch our nation left and provides authorities giveaways that 

we’ll most likely by no means be capable of take away sooner or later and can change 

this nation without end. It is not what I need to see occur and I do not suppose 

that is what most individuals on this nation need to see occur.

BAIER: Governor Christie, thanks to your time. At all times good to speak to you. 

CHRISTIE: Bret, nice to speak to you. Have a fantastic Sunday. 

BAIER: Up subsequent, a divided America reacts to the Kyle Rittenhouse not responsible 

verdict. We’ll convey again our panel to debate the fallout from the 

emotionally charged trial. 



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We, the jury, discover the defendant, Kyle H. Rittenhouse, 

not responsible.


the decision, and the decision actually speaks for itself. As a lot of , 

I’ve spent a majority of my profession working to make the prison justice 

system extra equitable and clearly there’s much more work to do. 


BAIER: Vice President Kamala Harris on the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict and 

what she says it implies about justice in America. 

We’re again with the panel. 

Harold, your ideas on this verdict, the fallout to it and the way the 

administration is speaking about it. 

HAROLD FORD, JR., FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Effectively, I settle for the decision as a result of 

that is what we’re — we’re a nation of legal guidelines. I watched the trial a bit of 

bit. I’ve learn lots about it. And I suppose I am not as involved — or, I 

ought to say, I separate a number of the points round race. 

What I am equally if no more so enthusiastic about is a broader dialog 

round self-defense as a result of my studying of this and watching of the trial 

suggests {that a} proactive or an initiated self-defense is allowable. I can 

think about being in a grocery retailer or restaurant and maybe a clerk or a 

supervisor or a server has a grievance with some one who is available in with a 

weapon and I attempt to defend my household and maybe attempt to restrain him, he or 

she shoots me, we go to trial and so they declare it was self-defense. I can not 

think about legislatures across the nation contemplated this type of self-

protection. To not say that Mr. Rittenhouse, it might — it might have been 

any totally different. I respect the regulation, and I’d agree with Mr. — Governor 

Christie, that it appeared like, on the face of it, the regulation was in his favor. 

Even his lawyer, Mr. Rittenhouse’s lawyer, stated the regulation was on his aspect. 

Morally, Mr. Rittenhouse wished he did not should do what he did. 

So I hope as we get previous the politics and handed a number of the heated 

rhetoric that legislatures and native regulation enforcement check out a few of 

these legal guidelines and attempt to perceive and examined higher, is that this what we imply 

after we say self-defense? 

BAIER: You already know, candidate Joe Biden referred, Jason, to Rittenhouse as a 

white nationalist. And there are a number of Republicans who’re pointing again 

to that and his reference to militia and white nationalism. 

Senator Tom Cotton stated, if he, President Biden, had any decency, Biden 

would apologize publicly, not attacked the jury for following the regulation.

Ideas on that?

JASON RILEY, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Sure, I used to be disillusioned with each the 

president and the vice chairman’s response to the decision. They determined to 

editorialize. And that is as a result of, as you simply famous, like quite a lot of different 

folks, they’d determined earlier than the case even started that Rittenhouse was 

responsible. They’ve each proper to talk out, Bret, however I — I simply do not 

suppose it is useful for them to try this. I believe their job is to say, we’re 

a nation of legal guidelines, and the jury’s verdict must be revered, full cease.

However, on the similar time, you’ve a Democratic Celebration that’s — performs this 

id politics card and they also racialized this stuff, and that is what 

you noticed the president and the vice chairman do. And I simply do not suppose we 

want extra of that. 

BAIER: This is Jen Psaki answering a query about these earlier feedback 

by Joe Biden.


JEN PSAKI, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president’s view that we 

should not have, broadly talking, vigilantes patrolling our communities 

with assault weapons. We should not have opportunists corrupting peaceable 

protests by rioting and burning down the communities they declare to 

signify, wherever within the nation. 


BAIER: Susan. 

SUSAN PAGE, “USA TODAY”: Effectively, , you talked concerning the division in 

the nation over the Rittenhouse verdict, and there was some, however there 

had been additionally authorized students who stated it wasn’t a shock. 

An even bigger situation, I believe, is the decision we will be awaiting quickly in 

the Ahmaud Arbery trial in Georgia in his — in his loss of life, going to closing 

arguments on Monday, tomorrow, as a result of that one entails a much less sturdy case 

of self-defense, and it has a transparent linkage to race on this nation. These 

large points in our nation, race, weapons, the bounds of self-defense. And that 

is a verdict, I believe, that we will be waiting for and we’ll get a 

a lot larger response, I believe, than the Rittenhouse verdict did, Bret. 

BAIER: Sure.

Harold, we have been overlaying that trial, taking a few of it, nevertheless it total, 

throughout the media panorama, has not acquired as a lot consideration because the 

Rittenhouse trial did. 

FORD: With out query. I’d agree with Susan. That case, I’ve watched a 

little little bit of it, and it looks like the prosecutorial workforce appears to be 

making extra progress with advancing their thesis and their principle of the 


However, , as we take into consideration all of this, once more, we — I do not 

racialize this in any respect. In the event that they — it would not matter what colour somebody is, 

in the event you’re killed, your killed. If Covid kills anyone, a gun, a bullet 

most likely would kill me otherwise you or anyone on this panel. 

The query turns into additionally, and I believe Reverend Jackson elevating in a method 

that I believe is affected, can we — are we inviting folks to point out up at 

protests, which they could have a disagreement with, put apart your race or 

political social gathering, and be capable of present up with the weapon. And if somebody in 

that crowd protesting yells or advances in the direction of you, are you allowed to 

shoot and kill them? I do not suppose so. 

However I believe we’ve got to, as a nation, and maybe legislators, have to suppose 

— take into consideration this in a critical method as a result of this is not a racial situation, 

it is a life and loss of life situation, and, frankly, a First Modification situation as 


BAIER: All proper, thanks, panel. We’ll see you subsequent Sunday. 

Up subsequent, our “Energy Participant of the Week.” A D.C. landmark on surviving the 

pandemic and its particular place in Washington historical past. 


BAIER: As extra Individuals get vaccinated, many people are heading again to our 

favourite eating places. As we first informed you final spring, in D.C., that 

features a native landmark that has performed a giant position within the nation’s 

capital for greater than 60 years. 

This is our “Energy Participant of the Week.”


VIRGINIA ALI, OWNER, BEN’S CHILI BOWL: Effectively, we have confronted many, many 

challenges. The pandemic has been actually probably the most difficult.

Welcome to Ben’s. How are you?

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR (voice over): Virginia Ali is the proprietor of 

Ben’s Chili Bowl, a Washington establishment that, like a lot, was 

threatened by the pandemic. 

WALLACE (on digicam): How laborious did it hit what you are promoting? 

ALI: Oh, wow. I imply, we had been open, Chris, from 7:00 within the morning till 

2:00 a.m. and 4:00 a.m. on weekends. That got here to an entire halt. 

WALLACE (voice over): One way or the other, Ben’s made it work, doubling down on carry 

out and even starring in a Google industrial. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Individuals come right here to see the images on the wall, to fulfill 

the household.

WALLACE: To know the fuss about Ben’s, you must know its historical past. 

Ben and Virginia Ali had been newlyweds after they opened the place in 1958. 

People got here for the half smoke, a scorching pork and beef sausage served with 

Ben’s signature chili on high. 

ALI: He had this very particular, spicy chili recipe. You already know, he got here from 

Trinidad, the place spicy meals was the factor.

WALLACE: They had been on U Road, recognized within the ’50s because the black Broadway. 

ALI: All of the golf equipment closed at 2:00 a.m. So, from 2:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m., you 

may barely get into the Chili Bowl on a Friday and Saturday night time. 

There was Duke Ellington. There was Pearl Bailey. Uh, Nat King Cole, 

all people. 

WALLACE (on digicam): That should have been some seen. What was that? 

ALI: It was only a joyful time. I imply, the music was occurring the jukebox, 

and we’ve got these musicians coming in. We’re simply completely satisfied to see them. 

WALLACE (voice over): Within the ’60s, the civil rights motion took over, however 

Ben’s was nonetheless a gathering place.

ALI: Each time Dr. King was on the town, occasionally he would come all the way down to the 

Chili Bowl, have a sandwich and I might have a possibility to sit down with him and 

take heed to him discuss his dream.

WALLACE: However in 1968, King was assassinated. A lot of U Road was burned 

down or boarded up. 

ALI: Ben’s Chili Bowl was the one place that was allowed to stay open. 

That was scary. However we weren’t touched.

WALLACE: Within the many years since, Ben’s has remained a landmark, a vital 

cease for African-American entertainers and politicians. 

Which brings us again to the meals.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It’ so good, guys. 

WALLACE (on digicam): Are you able to inform me what the key is to the key chili 


ALI: Effectively, that’ our particular chili sauce. That is our particular recipe. We 

have not on condition that out but, however you will be the primary to get it, Chris. When 

we do, you will be the primary to get that recipe.

WALLACE (voice over): With D.C.’s Covid restrictions lastly lifted, 

prospects are coming again to Ben’s, and so they can nonetheless discover Virginia Ali at 

the grill.

ALI: I like to show them one by one.

WALLACE: Cooking up these half smokes. 

WALLACE (on digicam): Why are you continue to working? 

ALI: I do not know that I name it work. Once you do one thing that you simply 

take pleasure in, it isn’t so laborious.

And you’ve got been coming for 25 years. 


ALI: That is fairly cool.

Assembly folks, Chris, from all walks of life simply at Ben’s Chili Bowl. I 

simply have a very good time day by day. 


BAIER: Effectively, if you wish to try that secret chili sauce, Virginia 

says there are plans to start out bottling it and placing it on the shelf in 

your grocery retailer. It is good things. 

That is it for immediately. I am going to see you tomorrow for “SPECIAL REPORT” 6:00 p.m. 

Jap Time on Fox Information Channel. We’ll be maintaining a tally of the closing 

arguments within the Ahmaud Arbery trial. Additionally, a potential Fed chair 

announcement. You heard it right here.

Have a fantastic Thanksgiving week till the following FOX NEWS SUNDAY.

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