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Jarosław Kaczyński testified in the Pegasus case, but refused to say everything he knows about it

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What did witness Kaczyński not remember about Pegasus, and what should Deputy Prime Minister Kaczyński know? Before he began, he avoided taking the full pledge. He didn't promise not to hide anything he knew. He stated that the Prime Minister must release him from the obligation to keep secret.

Jarosław Kaczyński did not take the full oath before the commission. The PiS president decided that he needed an exemption from secrecy from Prime Minister Donald Tusk. Other witnesses before other committees did not need it, but these arguments only irritated the PiS president. The committee voted on a motion to the court to punish the witness Jarosław Kaczyński.

– Jarosław Kaczyński certainly has something on his conscience, because he used it not to take the oath. And I think he is convinced that if he tells a lie, no harm will come to him. No, everything is recorded in the minutes – explains Tomasz Trela, MP of the New Left.

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From the very beginning, Jarosław Kaczyński manifested contempt and reluctance towards the commission and its members. The PiS president only appreciated MPs from the PiS club and Przemysław Wipler from Confederation. He doesn't like Witold Zembaczyński from the Civic Coalition so much that he accused him of being ineffective in running the pancake business.

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Accusations of ineffectiveness were made by a politician who claimed that Pegasus was a security issue, but it did not concern him, i.e. the deputy prime minister for security. Jarosław Kaczyński, as a witness to the commission, had a problem with someone calling him a witness.

Already during the hearing, PiS tried to triumph – it published photos of eating pancakes on the Internet. At that time, everyone was waiting for Jarosław Kaczyński, who was late – already deprived of the active support of Jacek Ozdoba and Mariusz Gosek. – Well, they died and we just wanted to clarify the truth. After all, they wanted this investigative commission, said Mariusz Gosek, MP from Sovereign Poland. For several hours, MPs from the PiS club interrupted and protested virtually every question that was inconvenient for Jarosław Kaczyński. Eventually they were excluded.

MPs Gosk and Ozdoba excluded from the proceedings of the Pegasus investigative committeeTVN24

Not quite true

Even the presentation of evidence of surveillance with Krzysztof Brejza's Pegasus and the use of the information obtained in this way by government television in a propaganda fight did not convince Jarosław Kaczyński that this software was used in a political fight.

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In the Pegasus case, Jarosław Kaczyński often did not remember something, he argued that he did not know about many activities or that his knowledge resulted from the media, and he even said that he would say something at a secret meeting. He refused to take an oath to tell the truth. The whole truth.

Main photo source: PAP/Paweł Supernak

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