“The problems began after PiS came to power”
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If we forget about Kaczyński for a moment, we will see a modern society, open young people, a well-functioning economy, modernizing cities – says Jas Gawronski, a former journalist and Italian politician, in Jacek Tacik’s “Polish-Non-Polish Talks”.
Gawronski was born in Vienna in 1936. His father, Jan Gawroński, was the last pre-war Polish ambassador to Austria. Mother, Luciana Frassati-Gawrońska – social and underground activist. Grandfather, Alfredo Frassati, founder of the daily “La Stampa”, and mother’s brother, Pier Giorgio Frassati, was proclaimed Blessed of the Catholic Church.
Jas Gawronski was a journalist. He worked for the Italian public television RAI. He abandoned the media for politics. He was a spokesman for Silvio Berlusconi. He helped him found his party, Forza Italia. He spent over twenty years in the European Parliament. Today, at the age of 85, she admits that she only regrets one thing: – I wish I had spent more time in Poland, that I could not live there any longer.
Jacek Tacik: Did you talk to Kaczyński?
Jas Gawronski: Once. And I must admit that he made a good impression on me. But that was a long time ago. Even then, he was considered a rational politician, without the envelope of strange conspiratorial theories that could not be proven.
I think that a meeting after many years would be extremely interesting. The conversation itself – perhaps a breakthrough. Kaczyński – whatever it was – is an important, if not the most important element of Polish politics and – without a doubt – a driving force behind changes in the country. Regardless of whether we like them or not.
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