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Mateusz Morawiecki testified for four hours before the commission for postal elections. During the interrogation, there were many crude jokes, arguments and turning off the microphone. The former prime minister argued that the Civic Platform was responsible for the loss of money and admitted that he was proud of signing the decision that “made it possible to hold elections.”

Former Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki He testified on Thursday before the parliamentary affairs committee. The hearing will continue on Wednesday at 1 p.m.

Morawiecki was asked by the head of the commission, Dariusz Joński (KO), whether he took full responsibility for issuing the decision on the basis of which activities were undertaken aimed at preparing and carrying out elections envelopes, resulting in “throwing away” approximately PLN 100 million.

This is how we reported Mateusz Morawiecki's hearing live.

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When Morawiecki started to answer, he was admonished by Joński to answer this specific question. – What's this about turning off the button, you can take part in “Familiada”, Mr. Chairman, what is it anyway – Morawiecki said to Joński when he was given the exclusive microphone.

The head of the commission replied that this was not a press conference. – Maybe it's funny to you, but PLN 100 million went down the drain – Joński repeated.

Morawiecki: What is this about turning off the button? You can take part in “Familiada”, Mr. ChairmanTVN24

– You are to blame for the fact that PLN 70 million went down the drain, it is her fault civil Platformyour manager, the then head of PO, Mrs Małgorzata Kidawa-Błońska and all those who admitted it, including you Rafał Trzaskowski – said Morawiecki.

– I signed the decision and I am very proud of it, because it made it possible to hold elections, prepare preparatory activities for the elections, and I take responsibility for it – said the former prime minister.

“Posal elections were the most appropriate way”

According to Morawiecki, the postal elections were safer, “just like the opinion of (former head of the Ministry of Health) Minister Łukasz Szumowski and doctors.” – Electionsthat we organized under PO's coercion were less safe, he said. He emphasized that he had no doubts that elections with voting at the ballot box were less safe from the epidemic point of view. – Postal elections were the most appropriate way to conduct the elections – he argued.

– For me, the information coming from around the world, or at least from two continents, regarding the methods of conducting the elections was the most convincing. This information came from the USA, Canada, Switzerland, Germany, South Korea and it was very convincing that if postal elections were held in such countries, we should also hold them – he explained.

The former prime minister testified that he talked then – sometimes several times a day – with Minister Szumowski, “who had very extensive contacts with the medical community” and with prof. Andrzej Horban, who was his chief advisor on COVID-19. – They emphasized that the postal election mode is safer – he assured.

When asked whether Szumowski's recommendations were conveyed to him formally or informally, he replied that they did not exchange letters, as they saw each other several times a day. – We simply talked about the coronavirus issue and also about doing everything to obtain as many sanitary supplies as possible – he added.

Morawiecki: over PLN 500 million was planned in the reserve for organizing postal elections

Morawiecki: over PLN 500 million was planned in the reserve for organizing postal elections TVN24

PLN 500 million was planned in the reserve for the elections

The former prime minister said that he signed the decision to conduct envelope elections by Poczta Polska and the Polish Security Printing Works on April 16, 2020, after correcting some legal formulations. When asked by MP Magdalena Filiks (KO) what these changes were, he indicated that it was about ordering Poczta Polska and PWPW “to take steps to prepare for the elections” and not “actions aimed at holding the elections.”

When asked why directed by Mariusz Kamiński Ministry of Interior and Administration and MAP, which he headed Jacek Sasindid not sign contracts with PWPW and Poczta, replied that its decisions were immediately enforceable.

When asked whether he was aware that these entities could have financial problems due to unpaid invoices, he indicated that, to his knowledge, these entities received compensation from the general reserve of the state budget. He added that this reserve, like the specific reserve, is intended for purposes that cannot be predicted.

– The funds in the special-purpose reserve and general reserve sufficiently secured these expenses. Ultimately, the election costs amounted to approximately PLN 320 million, i.e. funds from the reserves covered them more than twice, said Morawiecki.

He added that over PLN 500 million was planned in the reserve.

Morawiecki: I don't remember taking part in a meeting with MP Wypij

Morawiecki: I don't remember taking part in a meeting with MP WypijTVN24

“There were talks with Agreement not to reveal the line of the political camp”

The former prime minister referred to the testimony of the former head of the Ministry of Interior and Administration, Mariusz Kamiński, who said that Morawiecki participated in a meeting in a villa at Parkowa Street, at which, among others, former Agreement politician Michał Wypij and during which the issue of envelope elections was discussed. – I don't remember taking part in a meeting with Mr. Wypij. I also had no account of this particular meeting, he testified.

Morawiecki was asked whether, according to his knowledge, “there were corruption proposals or situations of intimidation of MPs from the Kukiz'15 party.” He replied that there were no corruption proposals or intimidation proposals and he had no knowledge whether the then head of his cabinet met with Kukiz'15 MPs.

– I am not aware of any extra-legal pressure on Jarosław Gowin and Michał Wypij, but there were talks with Jarosław Gowin's Porozumienie not to reveal the line of the political camp from which they entered the Sejm, but to behave loyally as members of this camp. political. I remember many conversations with Prime Minister Gowin, he testified.

He assured that the postal elections could not have a negative impact on the situation of Poczta Polska. – From the beginning, we assumed that all costs incurred by entities to which the decision is entrusted must be compensated – said Morawiecki.

Morawiecki: the child even knows that it is necessary to present the context of the answer to the question

Morawiecki: the child even knows that it is necessary to present the context of the answer to the questionTVN24

Morawiecki on “Gowin's betrayal”

Morawiecki was asked by MP Anita Kucharska-Dziedzic (Left Wing) about the testimony of former deputy prime minister in the PiS government, Jarosław Gowin, who told the committee about the meeting at the end of March 2020. He took part in this meeting – as Gowin reported Łukasz SzumowskiMateusz Morawiecki and himself.

Gowin's testimony was quoted by MP Kucharska-Dziedzic. “The three of us then agreed that we would do everything to prevent these elections. After a few days and after talking to Jarosław Kaczyński, Prime Minister Morawiecki informed me that, as he said: Jarosław insisted on holding these elections. And from then on, Mateusz Morawiecki he consistently worked to hold envelope elections,” the Left MP read.

– I'm sorry to say this, because Prime Minister Gowin had been our very good colleague in the government until then, but at that moment he betrayed our political camp and – which is also in the media – he met somewhere near Warsaw with one of the opposition leaders, with a representative of the Civic Platform. Then he changed his mind and started playing to the Civic Platform's script, Morawiecki said.

Morawiecki: What interested me most at that time was the issue of people's lives and health

Morawiecki: What interested me most at that time was the issue of people's lives and healthTVN24

According to him, “Gowin pursued his political interests.” – I know from his friends Agreement partythat he then wanted to become the Speaker of the Sejm, or maybe the Prime Minister. He was simply implementing his entire political plan. So his testimony must be read in this light, unfortunately – said the former prime minister.

Read also: Jarosław Gowin before the investigative commission. Highlights of the hearing

When asked by a Left MP whether it was true that he changed his mind on holding postal elections, Morawiecki assured that “there was definitely no sudden change here.”

When asked whether Jarosław Gowin was lying about changing his opinion about these elections, Morawiecki replied: – If Mr. Gowin claims that I was initially against correspondence elections and then a supporter, then yes, he is lying.

Waldemar Buda excluded from the committee

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Waldemar Buda excluded from the committee

At the end of the deliberations, Waldemar Buda (PiS) was excluded from the committee after he said to the chairman, Dariusz Joński: – I am a lawyer and you are a swimming pool idiot.

Earlier, Joński pointed out to MP Buda three times and lectured him on the basis of Art. 155 of the Act on the Sejm Investigative Committee. Buda appealed against Ionski's decision, but the commission rejected his application.

Main photo source: PAP/Paweł Supernak



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