The head of the prime minister’s office, Michał Dworczyk, in “Rozmowa Piaseckiego” on TVN24 stated that “the sum of all reasons”, including “actions taken by representatives of the opposition, various activists, unfortunately also some journalists”, led the government to a proposal to introduce a state of emergency. Dworczyk was also asked about the lack of dialogue with the opposition on such an important issue. – Very often it is so that you first need to conduct specific actions to secure a crisis situation and then we can talk – he said.
The guest of the Tuesday edition of “Rozmowy Piasecki” was the head of the Chancellery of the Prime Minister and the government plenipotentiary for vaccination Michał Dworczyk. He was asked about the motions to lift the state of emergency on the Polish-Belarusian border rejected by the Sejm on Monday, and about the words of the deputy head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Administration, Maciej Wąsik, during the debate. Wąsik mentioned, inter alia, “idiotic MPs from the opposition”.
– We would like as many people as possible to approach this situation in a responsible manner, because the situation is such that it requires serious treatment – he replied.
Dworczyk also mentioned that “strong words are sometimes used in a political debate”. – And not only in the political debate – he added. When asked why they were spoken in parallel with the expectations of national consent, the head of the Chancellery of the Prime Minister argued that it was “a fragment of a parliamentary statement” that was “taken out of context” and “necessarily emotional”.
– I believe that the fundamental thing when it comes to the state of emergency is the problem that we have today on the Polish-Belarusian border. This is a real threat that is taking place there and the irresponsible behavior of some politicians and journalists – he continued.
– In the political debate, words with an emotional message are often uttered, and there is nothing unusual about it – he repeated. – If you ask if I would like the world to be good, nice, pleasant, and all people friendly to each other, I answer: yes – he added, addressing Konrad Piasecki, who runs the program.
Michał Dworczyk on talks with the opposition: first, specific security measures, then we can talk
Dworczyk was also asked why the government did not talk to the opposition about the state of emergency. “That is not true,” replied the minister.
– In the daily work of the government, in crisis situations, dialogue with the opposition is extremely important, but the first condition must be met: the opposition must approach it seriously, want this dialogue and not make happenings. I would also like us to talk to each other more in Polish politics, but in crisis situations it is very often the case that first you need to carry out specific actions to secure a crisis situation and then we can talk, explain, convince ourselves to take further actions – he described.
In his opinion, the situation at the border “flared up violently”. – The actions that representatives of the opposition began to take, various activists, including, unfortunately, some journalists, were such that they required a quick response. The sum of all these reasons led to the imposition of a state of emergency – he explained.
When pointing out that this was not an answer to the question why it was not possible to invite opposition leaders who were not on the border to explain the modus operandi of the government in this matter, Dworczyk replied that “this is what the Sejm is for.”
Why are journalists not allowed into the state of emergency?
The program asked why journalists were not allowed to enter the area under the state of emergency. – If journalists also take actions that could create a threatening situation or lead to some incidents, it is worth making such a decision – he replied.
When asked why twenty journalists verified by ruling journalists could not be introduced into the area mentioned, the head of the Chancellery of the Prime Minister replied that “it is a matter of weighing risks”. “The risk was deemed to be too great,” he added.
The Ombudsman, Marcin Wiącek, in a recent letter to the Prime Minister, wrote that he saw no grounds to question the legitimacy of its introduction, but he expressed doubts about the limitation of journalists’ work, as well as the right to access public information.
Dworczyk, mentioning this letter, stated that “these decisions and the details of their implementation had been previously analyzed, first of all by the Ministry of Interior and Administration, but not only, but also by the president’s services.”
A state of emergency announced by the president’s spokesman
Konrad Piasecki also mentioned the announcement of the president’s decision on the state of emergency. It was not Andrzej Duda who did it, but Błażej Spychalski – his spokesman. – Do you remember any state of emergency introduced by the press spokesman? – He asked. “I don’t remember,” Dworczyk replied. – The signature, i.e. the president’s decision, is crucial here – he added.
– The Prime Minister, Minister of Interior and Administration spoke about this state of emergency, and then the spokesman spoke on behalf of the president. The president signed the document, the head of the National Security Bureau broadly justified this project and this situation in the Sejm, he said.
On the suggestion that the president might want to show in this way that the matter is not as dangerous as the rulers say about it, Dworczyk said that “we are talking about the threat and adequate measures taken in relation to this threat”.
Dworczyk on the vote on lex TVN: has not yet made a decision
On August 15, the president announced that he would “constantly uphold the constitutional principles – freedom of speech, freedom of business activity, property rights, and equal treatment”.
The head of the president’s cabinet, Paweł Szrot, informed on Monday that Andrzej Duda “is ready to veto lex TVN in its current shape“.
– I did not talk to the president on this subject. We have all heard the President’s statements, so everyone can form an opinion – Dworczyk commented on these words. He stressed that “there is no knowledge” that the ruling camp would withdraw from pushing through the media law in the face of the president’s opposition. – I participated in the legislative process, but I did not participate in the preparation (of the draft amendment to the act – ed.) – added the minister.
Konrad Piasecki’s guest stated that he had not yet decided how to vote on the anti-TVN law when it would return to the lower house of parliament, and “does not know when the bill will return to the Sejm”. – When we have a project in the Sejm, then we will make such decisions. Apart from the merits, there are also political reasons, whether there is a majority to (ed.) Vote – he noted.
Dworczyk after the e-mail scandal: I was interrogated
In “Rozmowa Piaseckiego”, Dworczyk also heard a question about the e-mail scandal, focused largely on his e-mail box. “We have commented on the e-mail so many times that I think it is a waste of time to come back to it,” he said. – I believe that so much has been said and so little substantive that starting it during this program will not bring anything – he said.
He also informed that he had been questioned in this case and had the status of an injured person.
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