The state will act in accordance with both court judgments and regulations. The mandates of Mariusz Kamiński and Maciej Wąsik, in accordance with the court’s decision, confirmed by the decision of the Speaker of the Sejm, have expired – said Prime Minister Donald Tusk in an interview for TVN24. – Therefore, there is no room for negotiations here – he added.
This is the first TV interview Donald Tusk since the swearing-in of his government. He is interviewed by: Anita Werner, host of “Fakty” TVN, as well as journalists from other largest news stations: Marek Czyż from TVP and Piotr Witwicki from Polsat.
Tusk: there is no time or place to feel surprised here
The head of government referred to the case of the convicted Mariusz Kamiński and Maciej Wąsik. President Andrzej Duda announced on Thursday that initiates pardon proceedings towards these PiS politicians. He also turned to the prosecutor general and the minister of justice Adam Bodnarto release Kamiński and Wąsik from prison for the duration of the pardon proceedings. Bodnar confirmed on Friday that he had received the president’s letter. He added that “at this stage, no other decisions have been made regarding further proceedings in the case.”
When asked if he was surprised by the president’s move, Tusk replied: – There is no time or place to feel surprised here.
– I am leading the Polish government in very challenging times. I am talking here about the internal situation, an example of which is the confusion surrounding the arrest and pardon of Messrs. Kamiński and Wąsik. But the international situation also requires – certainly the Prime Minister of the Polish government, but probably all of us – to be prepared for various scenarios – he added.
– For me, as the Prime Minister of the government, it is very important that – also in this specific context – Poland becomes a state of law again. Which means that everyone should act according to their competences. I have nothing to say about President Wąsik and Kamiński’s attempts to pardon them for obvious reasons – as the Prime Minister of the Polish government, I do not have these competences. The president can pardon him, Tusk emphasized.
Tusk: it is not a comfortable situation for the Prime Minister that Wąsik and Kamiński are in prison
Tusk added that he had an “inner desire” that “everyone in Poland should do what they are supposed to do, in accordance with the regulations, and not look for comfort.”
– I don’t think anyone thinks that from my point of view as the Prime Minister of the government, it is a comfortable situation that Mr. Wąsik and Mr. Kamiński are in prison. This is really not a good thing for a government that is just starting its work – this type of emotions and this type of political tension that is the result of this decision – he said.
As he added, “the problem is that this new Poland, the reborn Polish state in the field of law and justice, must be a state where people perform their duties imposed on them by the law, not this or that politician.”
Tusk: there is no room for negotiations
With regard to the issue of the mandates of Wąsik and Kamiński, Tusk was asked whether he imagined that both politicians would participate in the next session of the Sejm.
– NO. I have a very large imagination, but the state will act in accordance with both court judgments and regulations. The mandates of these two deputies, in accordance with the court’s decision, confirmed by the decision of the Speaker of the Sejm, (…) have expired. Therefore, there is no room for negotiations here, he added.
Tusk added that “we would probably all be more comfortable if there was no confusion about their mandates.” – But that’s what state institutions are for. That’s the right to decide about it, not my need for comfort or that of President Duda or President Kaczyński – he added.
The case of Kamiński and Wąsik
In March 2015, Mariusz Kamiński i Maciej Wąsik – the former head of the CBA and his deputy – were illegally sentenced to 3 years in prison and a 10-year ban on holding public positions for exceeding their powers in connection with the CBA’s action regarding the so-called land scandal. In the trial of the former heads of the CBA, the court found that Kamiński planned and organized the CBA provocation, although there were no legal and factual grounds for initiating the CBA action in the Ministry of Agriculture, headed by Deputy Prime Minister Andrzej Lepper. The illegally convicted former heads of the CBA were pardoned by President Duda in 2015.
The case returned to the docket in connection with the Supreme Court’s ruling of June 2023, when the Criminal Chamber, after cassation appeals filed by subsidiary prosecutors, overturned the discontinuance of the case of the former heads of the CBA made in March 2016 by the District Court in Warsaw in connection with the law applied by the president. grace. In mid-2023, the Supreme Court referred the case to the District Court for reconsideration.
On December 20, 2023, the District Court in Warsaw sentenced Kamiński and Wąsik to two years of imprisonment. On Tuesday, the police detained Mariusz Kamiński and Maciej Wąsik, who were staying at the Presidential Palace at the time.