Yes, of course, Ukraine’s place is in NATO, but that will not happen today, said Professor Katarzyna Pisarska in “Fakty po Faktach”, referring to the words of NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on the future of Ukraine. General Jarosław Stróżyk drew attention to examples from the past that “give hope”. He also emphasized that “Ukraine’s armed forces are better prepared for NATO membership tomorrow than Sweden and Finland.”
On Friday, at the NATO base in Ramstein, another meeting was held at the level of defense ministers of about 40 countries that provide arms to Ukraine in repelling Russian aggression.
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said at a press conference ahead of the meeting that all NATO allies “are in agreement that Ukraine should become a member of the Alliance. He added that “at the moment we are focusing on how to ensure that Ukraine succeeds.” “Our support helps Ukraine move towards Euro-Atlantic integration, our support helps them to achieve this goal,” Stoltenberg said.
Professor Katarzyna Pisarska from the Foundation for them referred to the words of the NATO Secretary General in the Friday edition of “Fakty po Faktach”. Casimir Pulaski and General Jarosław Stróżyk, former Deputy Director of the NATO Intelligence Directorate and former defense attaché in the United States.
Pisarska: I was happy, but I also suppressed excessive optimism
– When I heard this statement, on the one hand, I was happy, of course, but on the other hand, I also suppressed such excessive optimism – assessed Pisarska. – Yes, of course, Ukraine’s place is in NATO. Yes, it is in Poland’s strategic interest. Yes, it is in the strategic interest of the Alliance, but it will not happen today – she emphasized.
The professor noted that “we are talking about the post-war perspective, when we will have to sit down at the table and think about the security guarantees for Ukraine.” “And of course, the most important guarantee will be NATO membership, that is Article 5, which speaks of full solidarity of all members with one attacked member,” she said.
– This membership cannot happen while the war is going on, because we would be really at war with Russia she added.
Stróżyk: we have examples from the past that give hope
General Stróżyk was asked whether hard declarations by the leaders of NATO member states on Ukraine can be expected at the July summit in Vilnius. “It’s always a difficult political decision and I don’t think it’s going to happen hard at the summit in July,” he replied.
At the same time, he noted that “Ukraine definitely needs moral incentives from the very beginning.”
The TVN24 guest emphasized that the history of NATO, “the last 70 years is the history of countries that joined the Alliance in difficult times.” – Especially the example German and 1955, when borders were not fixed, Germany was even divided. So we have examples from the past, maybe not so difficult, but giving hope – said Stróżyk.
– We need to give hope, maybe a few years, maybe shorter, but definitely in my opinion it is possible. Ukraine’s armed forces are better prepared for NATO membership tomorrow than they are Sweden and Finland, so I don’t see many problems, apart from the political ones, of course,” he added.
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