USA. Meeting Donald Trum-Włodymyr Zelnski. Politicians comment on “coffee on the bench”

President of the United States Donald Trump He met with the Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelnski on Friday in the White House. Their conversation in the oval office ended with a quarrel. Zielnski left earlier than planned, there was no previously planned joint conference of the US Presidents and Ukrainethey also did not sign a contract on access to Ukrainian deposits.

Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Adrzej Szejna (Left) assured in “Coffee on a bench” on TVN24 that “Polish diplomacy approaches every situation calmly, although the situation is of course serious.” – Personally, I participated in the life of WO many more turbulent negotiations, but these were not supposed to be negotiations of course in the oval office, but an announcement of a specific project – he said.

– It may have done with more gestures and smiles, but the words and hardness of the positions were even more advanced. Finally, he managed to reach an agreement – he described his experience in negotiations.

In his opinion, such a conversation should take place in the lobby, not in the presence of the media. “She brought nothing to any of the parties,” he said. – However, I also want to emphasize for us, I do not know if it is appropriate to say it, but Poland fell there as an argument from President Trump as an example of a loyal ally, a strategic ally and an ally who fulfills his obligations. So let's also look at some positive elements of this exchange of sentences. In a diplomatic aspect, history knows many such meetings. However, of course, as the prime minister said and immediately in our post Minister Sikorski, we stand with Ukraine, but at the same time our relations with the United States are extremely stable, extremely strong and extremely friendly – said Szejna.

He also pointed out that this situation “unites and solidarizes all of Europe, which knows what problems it is – regarding military safety.”

According to the confederation of Przemysław Wipler, “such a political reality show, during which politicians behave in a very serious case, should not take place.” – It shows me that both parties did not want to sign any agreement. They met because there was a great expectation. Each party played to its internal market, to their voter, to their public opinion – he assessed.

– Trump said “America first, we care about your business” because he is not able to explain to the welder from Ohio, who is his voter, why he is to spend money on a war, which is as distant to him as a war in Burkina Faso or at any point in Asia or Africa – said Wipler. He added that Zelanski, in turn, wanted to show his soldiers and their families that “there would be no humiliating agreement.”

– This is the moment when all of Europe should strategically, and especially the front countries, such as Poland, think about how to rebuild this architecture based on agreements with other countries that, like us, are really threatened and realistically feel the effects of what has happened now. FinlandSweden, Turkey, such countries that have a real army, have real potential and are in a sense of a real threat that the Americans showed that they are arrogant, chaotic, because they showed it, and that there is no strategic thinking there – said the politician.

– Trump blocked, Trump says: Little sit down and sign, and if not, that's out, because that was the message. And the little one didn't enter it. It is a feeling that he did not enter this kind of agreement and showed it to the whole world, it was ostentatiously on both sides – summed up Wipler.

MEP Kamila Gasiuk-Pihowicz (Civic Coalition) estimated that “we saw a situation in the oval office that we should never see.” “A situation in which there was an attempt to humiliate a weaker, a kind of provocation,” she added. In her opinion, one should think about the consequences of what happened.

– One thing is certain, we as Poland should support Ukraine. At least because the Ukrainians are fighting not only for their independence, but above all to maintain Russia as far as possible Poland, as far as possible, the borders of the European Union and simply protect our democratic and economic achievements – she noted.

Speaking of the meeting, she stated that “it was possible that we were dealing here with a certain provocation and implementation of the script, which assumed the attempt to lead to the fact that the room was concluded, or rather surrender.” – It must be said directly, if a contract regarding raw materials without any security for Ukraine has been proposed, this is a very dangerous situation, because of course every war and here you have to agree with Trump, you can end in one day, only it will not be a fair peace, only capitulation and giving time in fact Putin to make it redempt and was ready to attach another European country – she said.

– It is obvious to us all now that Polish security must be built on two pillars, on the one hand on the military alliance, which is NATO, but on the other hand also on a strong presence Poland in the European Unionand this is guaranteed thanks to Polish diplomacy and the Prime Minister Donald Tusk Today in Europe – said Gasiuk -Pihowicz.

PiS MP Zbigniew Bogucki said that “there are two fundamental things from a Polish point of view.” – One thing that in our interest is for Ukraine to get along and agree with the United States. Unfortunately, the attitude of President Zelanski indicates that it will be very difficult. And the second issue, in our absolutely vital interest, is that United States They were present in Europe that they were militarily present, because the safety of the North Atlantic Alliance and the strength of the North Atlantic Alliance are based on them – he said.

He also pointed out that “very important words about the place and weight of Poland from the point of view of the new administration in the United States were spoken there.”

In his opinion, Zelanski “entering the oval office knew that he did not want to sign this agreement.” – If you even look at body language, move your shoulders, roll your eyes, sit in this way. For Americans, an oval office is a world command center. The US Army officers also sat there for whom President of the United States He is the chief commander. And someone who wants to negotiate, who wants to ask for help, arrives in order to continue to fight Putin's Russia, with this aggressor. And suddenly he puts himself in the position of who will dictate the conditions. It had to end this way – he added.

MP of Poland 2050-the road of Aleksander Leo assessed that “this meeting was a kind of provocation.” She pointed out that the narrative of the last few days, when “the President of Ukraine was called a dictator, he was basically named that he was not president, because the elections were not held” increased and exploded emotionally during the meeting in the oval office.

– Did the President of Ukraine stand it? No, he did not survive, he could be better prepared when it was about lifting it because he knew what the last days looked like, he knew what light he was put in by President Trump, but he also saw how President Macron, for example, lewage, said Leo.

– It looked like this, there was a good policeman, a bad policeman, then there were two bad policemen, there was a strength advantage, there was a secretary of state, there was a secretary of defense. The president was attacked, it was evident. He was shown as such a person who puts his personal reluctance to Putin beyond the health and life of his countrymen, Ukrainians. In this light it was shown – said the MP.

Speaking of Trump's words about Poland as a loyal ally, she said that she was “full of fear”. – Is such words in the mouth of a person who so often changes their opinion – in one week he can say about someone that he is a dictator, and then say that he did not say it – she pointed out. – A person who so easily says false information, such as those that the United States spent $ 350 billion, the whole war has cost 320 so far, can we trust such a person? Knowing the story and remembering even Yalta, I am not convinced – she admitted.

President's advisor Andrzej Duda Stanisław Żaryn assessed that “it is not in our interest to enter a ping-pong, which can be seen here and in the public debate quite distinguishes itself.”

– When a whole fifty -few minutes of the meeting are looked at, of course you can find yourself and those fragments that prove that President Zelnski was not well prepared and did not do the lesson related to how the new administration conducts foreign policy and we can find those moments that were clearly a form of provocative behavior of the American side. However, it is not in our interest to search for here either the site or mutual accusations – he said.

In his opinion, “we should first of all take care of our interests.” – President Andrzej Duda has clearly pointed out that Poland should have very good relations with every American administration, and Ukraine and the United States are very important partners and must return to talks – he said. He added that “with every American administration such a country like Ukraine must try to have good relations.”

– President Zelanski went to the United States to sign an agreement, which was a signal that America does not want to let Ukraine want to, he just wants to try to tie her interests with Ukrainian territory. We do not know yet, maybe the government has some behind -the -scenes information, whether this agreement was actually negotiated, whether it was agreed or not – said Żaryn. – This agreement builds a certain frame for which real, practical solutions must follow, which will be related to security guarantees, because it is obvious that the Americans will defend their interests in Ukraine if they appear – he added.

He pointed out that “what was important in this agreement” and “was perhaps even a breakthrough” is “binding the interests and American-Ukrainian relations with strategic competition between the United States and China.”

– one of the experts of the Polish Geological Mining Institute spoke about it, which indicated that access to deposits that allow strategic competition with China was guaranteed in this agreement. So it's time to go back to talks and of course interpersonal relations in politics are very important, but I have the impression that not the most important. And we, as Poland, should grab such signals and moments such as another signal that we are specially treated by the American administration and this thread should be drawn with the American administration – he said.