Jarosław Kaczyński called Roman Giertych and Zbigniew Konwiński “Łobuzami”. Later, even sharper words were spoken in the room. Giertych was called the “murderer”, and – as he reports – “channel” and “stun”. We know a lot about this avantion, but what happened when the microphones stopped working? We compare records from the transcript with the recordings and accounts of MPs.
On Wednesday there was a row in the Sejm. First, Jarosław Kaczyński entered the rostrum and called Roman Giertych a “main sadist” in the country. After a while – When Giertych took a place on the rostrum – the PiS president stood next to him And, interfering with the statement, he called, among others, a “bunch”. “Jarek, sit down, calmly,” MP Ko told him. Others began to gather around PiS deputieswho called KO many times a “murderer”.
On Thursday, MPs of the KO from the PiS settlement team announced that they submitted a notification to the prosecutor's office for six PiS deputies, including the President of the Party Jarosław Kaczyński. It is about the shouts of “Korderco” directed at the Wednesday sitting of the Sejm towards Roman Giertych. KO will also ask the Ethics Committee. MP KO Katarzyna Kierzek-Koperska mentioned that the submitted notification concerns the possibility of committing a crime by six deputies: Iwona Arent, Przemysław Czarnek, Jarosław Kaczyński, Bartosz Kownacki, Antoni Macierewicz and Anna Krupka.
Source: tvn24
What the microphones have not registered
The recordings registered that Kaczyński called Giertych a “sadist” and “Łobuz”, but during the argument the leader turned off the microphone. Roman Giertych in “Kropka nad i” on TVN24 was asked what Kaczyński said to him when the microphones were turned off. “He called me, called me a stun, channel and he said something there,” he replied.
– I have already seen various things in my professional life, but I would never think that the former prime minister, deputy prime minister, the head of the party can approach the victim's representative and challenge him from the worst – he added.
The recordings we had access to do not clearly decide what Kaczyński said when the microphones were turned off. One of the MPs shared with the reporter “Facts in the afternoon” of TVN24 Piotr Parol Recording, which shows what happened after the announcement of the break. It shows him how Kaczyński hits the rostrum with his fist for a long moment.
Pomaska: Kaczyński was the provocateur
In the plenary hall, close to the rostrum, when a row broke out, there was, among others, MP Agnieszka Pomaska, who also decided to record the incident. – Probably everyone saw that Jarosław Kaczyński was such a provocateur, who, moreover, has no resistance for the first time to accuse politicians who are not of his options about various, also the most terrible things – she said in an interview with TVN24 reporter Radomir Wit.
– Of course, the Presidium of the Sejm or the Ethics Committee will decide about such matters, but from my perspective Jarosław Kaczyński should feel that he is not unpunished – noted the MP.
When asked that Kaczyński's insults heard, Pomaska said that “only those that are public known.” – I also saw Law and Justice politicians who probably saw that Jarosław Kaczyński was in a certain awkward situation and stormed his defense – she added. In her opinion, the behavior of MP Iwona Arent, who shouted the “murderer”, was also shocking. “The consequences should be drawn,” she said.
Source: Agnieszka Pomaska
Gajewska: This is disgusting
In a similar tone, MP and Deputy Minister Aleksander Gajewska spoke, who also watched the incident up close. – This atmosphere was so tense and so hot that a spark would be enough to ignite the emotions of PiS deputies – said Agata Adamek in an interview with TVN24 reporter.
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– It is simply disgusting, I am disgusted with it and what President Kaczyński has been doing for years, how he tries to divide Poles as he offends them – said Gajewska. According to her, “there is no place for such people in public life.”
Source: tvn24
Trela announces a notification to the prosecutor's office. “MP Gosek from PiS scares my family”
A skirmish between Tomasz Trela (New left) A Mariusz Gosk (PiS). “MP Gosek from PiS scares my family and me that special services will deal with us, and he will make sure that I will sit. (…) My lawyers are already working to notify the prosecutor's office. Did I get scared and stop accounting for PiS? Never in my life!” – Trela wrote on the X. platform.
Gosek commented under the entry. “Listen to yourself the recordings: 1. You led to the unlawful deprivation of Freedom of MP Zbigniew Ziobro. 2. Services should never give approval to strictly secret for committee members. 3. Better deal with the family, as Minister Ziobro must deal with it. Do not confabulate” – wrote Gosek.
We also present what the parliamentary transcript shows in the event. 10.25. Jarosław Kaczyński, the President of Law and Justice, enters the rostrum. The head of PiS calls to convene an extraordinary sitting of the Sejm to – as he describes it – think about what “humanitarianism in fighting democracy” means. – We are dealing with the death of Barbara Skrzypek's holy memory by shameful interrogation. And we have here in the room – you can say – the main sadist (Roman) Giertych. His man, his lawyer was the most abusing during this interrogation. And this is really very important today. The most important – said Kaczyński. Source: tvn24 There were voices from the room that Kaczyński ended time, but the PiS president continued its statement. – We must answer the question of whether the fighting democracy is the rejection of all the rules of European civilization, or maybe something remains. I am in favor of the conviction that all of them have already been rejected. – said Jarosław Kaczyński. After his occurrence, a group of PiS deputies got up and their parties were pronounced. 10.28. MP Zbigniew Konwiński enters the rostrum (Civic Platform). In his speech he commented on Kaczyński's earlier statement. – We just had an example of exceptional hypocrisy. The Lord instructs the rule of law, and yet the whole eight years of your rule was the violation of the rule of law from the beginning to the end. After all, one of the first decisions that was made when you came to power, do you know what was? A wonderful pardon of your colleagues, he said. The screams of “Liar” spoke from the room. Antoni Macierewicz shouted: “Don't cheat.” Source: tvn24 – It is only by name your party resembles Law and Justice, and in fact you are one great negation of these two words. All your governments were breaking the rule of law in Poland and an attempt to subordinate the justice system. The Lord would like to manually control what the judges have to do. The Lord would like to manually control and say what is good for you, what sentence is good for you, and what judgment is angry for you. You were wrong, you know? – He turned to Kaczyński. Kaczyński, in turn, shouted: “Don't lie, a rabbit.” A shout came from the room: – Sit down, Konwiński, because you talk stupid things. 10.29. Roman Giertych and Jarosław Kaczyński are heading to the podium. – Mr. Marshal! High Sejm! Giertych began. After him, Kaczyński repeated, who stood next to Giertych. – I was called the sadist by Mr. Jarosław Kaczyński. Jarek, sit down calmly. Calm down – he turned to Kaczyński Giertych. Kaczyński said: – I am not with you by name, a bang. Deputy marshal Piotr Zgorzelskiwho led the meeting, he pointed out that the voice belongs to Giertych. Source: PAP/Piotr Nowak – I am not with the Lord, Mr. Kaczyński, by name, only genealogy researchers showed that I am an uncle of Mr. Kaczyński far -free. Tell me “Uncle”, Jarek – said Giertych. He was interrupted by deputies who shouted: “get off the rostrum.” It was then that some deputies decided to approach the podium. MP Iwona Arent began to chant repeatedly: “murderer”, other MPs have echoed. The deputy marshal turned off the microphone during the argument. However, you can hear individual shouts: “What's going on here?”, “Murder”. There was a great stir in the room. Zgorzelski announced a ten -minute break in the meeting. Source: PAP/Piotr Nowak Barbara Skrzypek died on March 15 at the age of 66 – as the autopsy showed – for a heart attack. The circumstances of her death are examined by the Warsaw-Praga District Prosecutor's Office. The PiS environment would like to connect the death of the violinist with its interrogation on March 12. The violinist then testified as a witness in the investigation in the case of Srebrna and “two towers”. The interrogation took place without the participation of the violinist representative, which was not allowed to him (as allowed by law). Prosecutor Ewa Wrzosek, who was hearing, explained that it was not her “good or bad will”, but the provisions, “factual circumstances”, “legal and factual interest of the witness” decided about it. Read more in Zasta24: The death of Barbara Skrzypek. How the message “first victim of the regime” was built The District Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw stated that the violinist did not raise any objections as to the form and length of the interrogation, and in addition to reading problems, it did not report any health ailments. Minister of Justice Adam Bodnar He announced a thorough explanation of all the circumstances of death, as well as the analysis of the decision of Prosecutor Wrzosek to refuse the representative of the representative in the interrogation. The PiS president talked from the violinist after interrogation. He informed about the fact that this conversation occurred after her death. Wrzosek, who got a lot of threats in recent weeks, He has protection now. Concrete24: How PiS builds the myth of “Victims of the regime” Barbara Skrzypek has collaborated with Jarosław Kaczyński for over 30 years. She had key functions, including head of the office or director of the PiS presidential office. She was responsible for arranging the calendar of Jarosław Kaczyński's works, arranging meetings or guarding important documents. She was also a representative of the Institute Lech Kaczyńskithe main shareholder of the Srebrna company, which is to be responsible for the construction of the Srebrna Tower skyscrapers in the center of Warsaw. In September 1980, i.e. shortly after signing the August agreements, Barbara Skrzypek started working at the Council of Ministers of the Polish People's Republic. For nine subsequent years she worked there alongside the four prime ministers of the Polish People's Republic: Józef Pińkowski, Wojciech JaruzelskiZbigniew Messner and Mieczysław Rakowski. Author/author: EK/AKW Source: tvn24.pl Source of the main photo: PAP/Piotr NowakRecord from the transcript. Minute by minute
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