Kaczyński and Giertych in the Sejm. Discussion in “Coffee on a bench”

Guests of “Coffee on the bench” on TVN24 talked about Jarosław Kaczyński and Roman Giertych's cluster on the parliamentary rostrum. – Evidently Mr. Jarosław Kaczyński prepared a provocation to which he confessed. After all, emotions suffered during this provocation – said PSL MP Krzysztof Hetman in “Coffee on a bench”. Tobiasz Bocheński from PiS said that he is not sorry for Roman Giertych, who “is the main conductor of hate in Polish politics.” – It was a theater of absurdity – said Anita Kucharska -Dziedzic from the left.

On Wednesday in the Sejm, Kaczyński called MP KO Romana Giertych “Chief Sadist” in connection with the death of his colleague Barbara Skrzypek. Other PiS deputies shouted: “murderer”.

On Friday, the Presidium of the Sejm decided that 50 PiS deputies in the meeting room violated the seriousness of the Chamber, directing unfounded accusations towards Giertych. Deputy Marshal Piotr Zgorzelski said that MPs Jarosław Kaczyński and Iwona Arent will lose half of the salary for three months. 48 PiS deputies, whom the Marshal's Guard and the Sejm's services identified as the screaming “murderer” will receive a penalty in the form of losing half of the salary for two months.

The case was commented on on TVN24 by guests of Sunday “coffee for the bench”.

Bocheński: I don't feel sorry for Giertych

– I have been called from the murderers by left members many times, I don't know what. Law and Justice He was called murderers and murderers of women in various ways, so somehow I am not sorry for Mr. Giertych, who is the main conductor of hate in Polish politics – said Tobiasz Bocheński from Law and Justice.

As he said, “we observe it in various chambers of lower and sometimes higher different parliaments in the world, that politics are not only arguments, but also emotions that are perceived by different people and these emotions sometimes manage them.”

– In the Polish Polish Sejm Hall of all terms after '89, we have repeatedly seen such situations on the one hand or on the other – said PiS MEP expressing the opinion that Wednesday's Social in the Sejm would pass as one of the many events of this kind. ”

Wipler: Dad must go on the stage and add gasoline to this outbreak of the Polish-Polish war

– For me, what happened is a clear and clear message, addressed to my own groups of voters. It is about raising the polarization temperature in Polish politics, because in the last several days the Law and Justice candidate campaign for the president, there was no something happened there and Jarosław Kaczyński says, as part of the rescue wheel, Jarosław Kaczyński says, the good must go on the stage and raise the temperature, and add gas to this focus of the Polish-Polish war between the Civic Platform and Pi Przemysław Wipler.

He said that “Roman Giertych is a figure that arouses gigantic emotions, from the left who remembers his life path, through many politicians of his own club, and ending, of course, as a symbol of the final evil in the camp of Law and Justice in the camp.”

– You have to get into the polarization game, so President Kaczyński did this kind of this kind to coldly, it is known that there will be emotions and in the next weekend in programs like this one we will discuss this. That was, it was, it was done coldly. People who took part in this will not be disturbed by this quite harsh punishment – said Wipler. At the same time, he expressed the opinion that PiS deputies “were severely punished”. “I don't even know if not too harsh,” he added.

Halicki: Kaczyński cannot stand above the law

– I am embarrassed and I am shocked by what Mr Bocheński had just said. Do you want to lead to seeing scenes from Asia or Africa in the Polish parliament that MPs are fighting among themselves? The Lord said that emotions are something natural, that these are natural scenes – the MEP Andrzej Halicki was outraged.

He accused Jarosław Kaczyński that “he introduced hatred, hatred, insulting, and exclusion to Polish public life.” In his opinion, PiS deputies for their Wednesday behavior in the Sejm should bear not only regulatory but also legal responsibility.

– Kaczyński cannot break the regulations, but he cannot stand above the law. You can laugh that Dziadziusii do not keep their nerves, but it is not funny – he said.

Hetman: If it wasn't terrible, it would be funny

– Evidently Mr. Jarosław Kaczyński prepared the provocation to which he confessed – he said PSL MP Krzysztof Hetman. “After all, emotions suffered during this provocation,” he added. As he said, “if it wasn't terrible, it would be funny.”

– I have such advice for President Kaczyński, so that he would warn his friends next time that such a provocation will occur, because they may not be able to understand that it is only a provocation for the needs of the media and current politics, and next time looking through the prism of emotions that produce such situations among PiS deputies, they will go to physical aggression. There, it really wasn't much missing – he assessed.

According to him, it is not necessary to trivialize what happened on Wednesday in the Sejm. – This cannot only be closed in the sphere that Mr. Kaczyński has always used this type of method, because yes, he used, you just have to start stigmatizing it, because it starts to do simply dangerous – warned the hetman. – If someone stood a smaller posture than Mr. Giertych, it could end differently, because there were no such brave to try to attack such a primary man physically – he said.

Kucharska-Dziedzic: It was a theater of absurdity

– It was a grotesque speech and effect, i.e. this attempt at virtually lynch, it is certainly terrible, while the performance was funny – the left -wing MP Anita Kucharska -Dziedzic echoed.

– Sometimes it is so that there is a tragedy or a drama on the theater stage, and a comedy comes out because the audience laughs. And we probably had something similar to dealing with. It was a theater of absurdity – she assessed.

As she said, if the foundation of Kaczyński was to present PiS as “the victim of the quarrels of the rulers”, then “the implementation of this plan was completely unsuccessful”.

– The only victim of this situation was the MP of Giertych, who was blamed for all the sins of the world, for things with which he had absolutely no relationship. He was (named – ed.) Sadist and murderer. He will be able to suffered at the moment – she pointed out.

“It was a really embarrassing spectacle,” said the MP.

Rzepecki: I would not lead my speech in this way

– If I were in the place of President Jarosław Kaczyński, I would certainly not like to lead his speech in this way and in such a strong way no one from the parliamentary rostrum did not attack, because I was a parliamentary who wanted to debate substantively – admitted Łukasz Rzepecki, president's advisor Andrzej Duda.

– Let's not be surprised, the Ladies and Gentlemen, that public opinion is getting worse, assessing the work of the Polish parliament, even after such statements, but on the other hand, remember who took the prosecutor's office illegally. This was taken over by the government of the Civic Platform and the national prosecutor is the Lord (Dariusz) Korneluk – said Rzepecki.